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		<title>Comment on The Triumph of Spontaneous Good by Greg Morin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Morin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the comment, that&#039;s a good point I now wish I had brought up in the article, first responders in many rural communities today often are volunteer (feeling even more stupid now since right here in my own county we have an all volunteer firefighter force! although I do think the equipment is funded by the county taxes). People can always figure out solutions toward desired ends without resorting to coercive means. Glad to hear you enjoy reading the column each week!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comment, that&#8217;s a good point I now wish I had brought up in the article, first responders in many rural communities today often are volunteer (feeling even more stupid now since right here in my own county we have an all volunteer firefighter force! although I do think the equipment is funded by the county taxes). People can always figure out solutions toward desired ends without resorting to coercive means. Glad to hear you enjoy reading the column each week!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Triumph of Spontaneous Good by Peg Harvard</title>
		<link>http://porcupine-musings.org/2013/04/22/the-triumph-of-spontaneous-good/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Peg Harvard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing - my week isn&#039;t complete without reading Porcupine Musings! Regarding first responders - there was a time when first responders were volunteers! It was only a few decades ago in my home town that all the firemen were volunteers, and the community donated funds to supply the trucks and equipment. We the People do a much better job than &quot;the government&quot; any time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing &#8211; my week isn&#8217;t complete without reading Porcupine Musings! Regarding first responders &#8211; there was a time when first responders were volunteers! It was only a few decades ago in my home town that all the firemen were volunteers, and the community donated funds to supply the trucks and equipment. We the People do a much better job than &#8220;the government&#8221; any time!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arbitrary Fairness by Matheus</title>
		<link>http://porcupine-musings.org/2012/11/20/arbitrary-fairness/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Matheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They&#039;ll probably thsurt a VAT on us, but they&#039;ll forget to remove the income tax    Hey, let&#039;s just do both Technology and efficiency is constantly putting people out of work, and we keep adding more workers to the work force.  In good times, maybe all those surplus workers can become musicians, sell Avon, or become merry maids.  But with government screwing things up, higher unemployment/underemployment might progress.Manufacturing of ipods or anything is becoming more and more mechanized   it sure seems it will get rougher for the average worker.  The good thing is a nice standard of living can be had for not much money.  But  managing  distribution or redistribution of wealth/jobs might make for some angst.  Maybe competition would bring more services to more people   merry maids and child care for more  commoners ?  Better care for the elderly? To some degree we&#039;ve already had this problem, with government and unions providing cushy lifetime employment, often for those that might have more trouble competing in the open market.  Perhaps a working welfare program would be needed, but they should make less than the privater sector, not much more with early retirement and lifetime super benefits.A vibrant middle class might keep a whole economy humming, but constant trillion dollar stumbles by big government keeps crippling the capitalist/socialist mix we have now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ll probably thsurt a VAT on us, but they&#8217;ll forget to remove the income tax    Hey, let&#8217;s just do both Technology and efficiency is constantly putting people out of work, and we keep adding more workers to the work force.  In good times, maybe all those surplus workers can become musicians, sell Avon, or become merry maids.  But with government screwing things up, higher unemployment/underemployment might progress.Manufacturing of ipods or anything is becoming more and more mechanized   it sure seems it will get rougher for the average worker.  The good thing is a nice standard of living can be had for not much money.  But  managing  distribution or redistribution of wealth/jobs might make for some angst.  Maybe competition would bring more services to more people   merry maids and child care for more  commoners ?  Better care for the elderly? To some degree we&#8217;ve already had this problem, with government and unions providing cushy lifetime employment, often for those that might have more trouble competing in the open market.  Perhaps a working welfare program would be needed, but they should make less than the privater sector, not much more with early retirement and lifetime super benefits.A vibrant middle class might keep a whole economy humming, but constant trillion dollar stumbles by big government keeps crippling the capitalist/socialist mix we have now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Value Myth by Greg Morin</title>
		<link>http://porcupine-musings.org/2012/09/17/the-value-myth/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Morin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Belton had a rather fiery &lt;a href=&quot;http://mmdems.org/?q=node/21341&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;response&lt;/a&gt; to this column, however methinks he stopped reading it as soon as he read the line about &quot;no more intrinsic value than teaching.&quot; In any even here is my response that should be published this week:

Apparently my Sept 13 column on the value myth struck a nerve with Mr. Belton. I feel it necessary to add clarification as apparently my lack of clarity has caused him to reach the invalid conclusion that I was “insulting teachers”. Nothing could be further from the truth. I used the adjective “intrinsic” in its scientific sense, meaning that it qualifies the property of the object being discussed as invariant across time and space (e.g. density is an intrinsic property of matter that does not change at a given STP). So to Mr.Belton’s objections: “no intrinsic value” is not equivalent to “no value”. Repeat after me: value is subjective not objective. This means one cannot measure value with a machine or an equation any more than one can measure beauty. He then unwittingly makes my point for me by asking, “What dollar amount do you place on that?” Precisely. Ask 10 different people that question and you’ll get ten different answers – that is the very definition of subjectivity, not objectivity (intrinsic). As to his further assertions (“public schools are the only entity [that] can overcome the effects of poverty”) and various quotation driven argumentation from appeals to authority, these were not even remotely the topic of my article but are certainly appealing fodder for debunking in future articles. Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Belton had a rather fiery <a href="http://mmdems.org/?q=node/21341" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">response</a> to this column, however methinks he stopped reading it as soon as he read the line about &#8220;no more intrinsic value than teaching.&#8221; In any even here is my response that should be published this week:</p>
<p>Apparently my Sept 13 column on the value myth struck a nerve with Mr. Belton. I feel it necessary to add clarification as apparently my lack of clarity has caused him to reach the invalid conclusion that I was “insulting teachers”. Nothing could be further from the truth. I used the adjective “intrinsic” in its scientific sense, meaning that it qualifies the property of the object being discussed as invariant across time and space (e.g. density is an intrinsic property of matter that does not change at a given STP). So to Mr.Belton’s objections: “no intrinsic value” is not equivalent to “no value”. Repeat after me: value is subjective not objective. This means one cannot measure value with a machine or an equation any more than one can measure beauty. He then unwittingly makes my point for me by asking, “What dollar amount do you place on that?” Precisely. Ask 10 different people that question and you’ll get ten different answers – that is the very definition of subjectivity, not objectivity (intrinsic). As to his further assertions (“public schools are the only entity [that] can overcome the effects of poverty”) and various quotation driven argumentation from appeals to authority, these were not even remotely the topic of my article but are certainly appealing fodder for debunking in future articles. Cheers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Value Myth by Greg Morin</title>
		<link>http://porcupine-musings.org/2012/09/17/the-value-myth/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Morin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has come to my attention there has been some misunderstanding surrounding the column on the “Value Myth” and the use of the term “intrinsic”. This term was used in order illustrate that value is subjective, not objective.  The adjective “intrinsic” was used in its scientific sense, meaning that it qualifies the property of the object being discussed as invariant across time and space (e.g. density is an intrinsic property of matter that does not change at a given STP). So “no intrinsic value” is not equivalent to “no value”. “Intrinsic” implies something that can be measured with a machine or an equation. Value can no more be measured this way than can beauty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has come to my attention there has been some misunderstanding surrounding the column on the “Value Myth” and the use of the term “intrinsic”. This term was used in order illustrate that value is subjective, not objective.  The adjective “intrinsic” was used in its scientific sense, meaning that it qualifies the property of the object being discussed as invariant across time and space (e.g. density is an intrinsic property of matter that does not change at a given STP). So “no intrinsic value” is not equivalent to “no value”. “Intrinsic” implies something that can be measured with a machine or an equation. Value can no more be measured this way than can beauty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will you still pay me, when I’m sixty-four? by Greg</title>
		<link>http://porcupine-musings.org/2012/07/09/will-you-still-pay-me-when-im-sixty-four/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, but I&#039;m not missing the point ;-) What you say is true, but that was not the point of the article. I agree with your comment 100%, it&#039;s just the point of this article was to try to demonstrate to the statists that that they need to look beyond arbitrary distinctions when taxing groups (&quot;oh, we must tax the rich more... but the elderly less&quot; - but uh, it is the elderly that are predominantly rich). Anyway, thanks for your comment]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, but I&#8217;m not missing the point <img src='http://porcupine-musings.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  What you say is true, but that was not the point of the article. I agree with your comment 100%, it&#8217;s just the point of this article was to try to demonstrate to the statists that that they need to look beyond arbitrary distinctions when taxing groups (&#8220;oh, we must tax the rich more&#8230; but the elderly less&#8221; &#8211; but uh, it is the elderly that are predominantly rich). Anyway, thanks for your comment</p>
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		<title>Comment on Needs and Wants by Thomas Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://porcupine-musings.org/2012/07/23/needs-and-wants/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your recent post regarding TSPLOST brings to mind a local issue we have with roads here in Birmingham, AL. The powers that be plan a new road as a “northern beltline” for Birmingham that will connect to I-22 and provide a bypass to downtown to the North. The proposed beltline is quite controversial and has questionable economic benefits. Except for an outer beltway proposal around Houston, Birmingham&#039;s Northern Beltline is the longest interstate extension project in the country on U.S. Department of Transportation&#039;s list of major projects. The road is estimated to cost a total of $4.7 billion and to be finished in about 2048. 

The main support for the proposed beltline argues for “improved economic opportunity and overall quality of life” and states that arguments that the beltline is a political boondoggle are “hollow and illusionary claims”.

A recent report shows that construction of the beltline would produce person-years of work, but not permanent jobs. Under optimistic assumptions, there would be 4,000 or jobs each year of construction, but studies suggest 2,800 or fewer jobs each year of construction to be more realistic, and most not for decades.

The main argument that supporters use is that the funding is “provided by the long-established federal Appalachian Regional Commission” and therefore somehow does not come out of the pockets of local taxpayers. What supporters whitewash is that while supporting may be “federal”, we all still pay for this out of our tax dollars. As a main local advocate states “The only ‘either-or’ consideration for these funds is that we either use this money for the Northern Beltline or we lose it to another state&#039;s project. Period.” This is precisely the type of argument that needs to be defeated. Federal money does not appear out of thin air – it comes from our taxes. Our nation is heavily in debt and for us to argue whether we should “grab” the money before it goes to another state is beside the point. 

Imagine the same debate in your personal budget. Say you have a certain amount set aside for food, a certain amount to pay rent or mortgage, and a certain amount to pay for utilities. There is, hopefully, some money set aside for entertainment and other luxuries. Now imagine you have a big deficit in your bank account. You would not go out to a casino and argue that if you did not spend the money on entertainment, it might go to some other budget item like food.

The entire system of “allocation of funds” is broken and needs to be revised. Clearly, the funding for the Northern Beltline is an “earmark”. Unfortunately our local representatives including U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus and U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby are strong supporters of the existing earmark system and vote to quash any bills that would expose such a system or put limits on it.

The “Northern Beltline” must be defeated and all such future projects should be undertaken using private funds. If the road is such an economic driver, there should be no shortage of companies ready to take advantage. Except of course that they will be told that “you didn’t build that”!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your recent post regarding TSPLOST brings to mind a local issue we have with roads here in Birmingham, AL. The powers that be plan a new road as a “northern beltline” for Birmingham that will connect to I-22 and provide a bypass to downtown to the North. The proposed beltline is quite controversial and has questionable economic benefits. Except for an outer beltway proposal around Houston, Birmingham&#8217;s Northern Beltline is the longest interstate extension project in the country on U.S. Department of Transportation&#8217;s list of major projects. The road is estimated to cost a total of $4.7 billion and to be finished in about 2048. </p>
<p>The main support for the proposed beltline argues for “improved economic opportunity and overall quality of life” and states that arguments that the beltline is a political boondoggle are “hollow and illusionary claims”.</p>
<p>A recent report shows that construction of the beltline would produce person-years of work, but not permanent jobs. Under optimistic assumptions, there would be 4,000 or jobs each year of construction, but studies suggest 2,800 or fewer jobs each year of construction to be more realistic, and most not for decades.</p>
<p>The main argument that supporters use is that the funding is “provided by the long-established federal Appalachian Regional Commission” and therefore somehow does not come out of the pockets of local taxpayers. What supporters whitewash is that while supporting may be “federal”, we all still pay for this out of our tax dollars. As a main local advocate states “The only ‘either-or’ consideration for these funds is that we either use this money for the Northern Beltline or we lose it to another state&#8217;s project. Period.” This is precisely the type of argument that needs to be defeated. Federal money does not appear out of thin air – it comes from our taxes. Our nation is heavily in debt and for us to argue whether we should “grab” the money before it goes to another state is beside the point. </p>
<p>Imagine the same debate in your personal budget. Say you have a certain amount set aside for food, a certain amount to pay rent or mortgage, and a certain amount to pay for utilities. There is, hopefully, some money set aside for entertainment and other luxuries. Now imagine you have a big deficit in your bank account. You would not go out to a casino and argue that if you did not spend the money on entertainment, it might go to some other budget item like food.</p>
<p>The entire system of “allocation of funds” is broken and needs to be revised. Clearly, the funding for the Northern Beltline is an “earmark”. Unfortunately our local representatives including U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus and U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby are strong supporters of the existing earmark system and vote to quash any bills that would expose such a system or put limits on it.</p>
<p>The “Northern Beltline” must be defeated and all such future projects should be undertaken using private funds. If the road is such an economic driver, there should be no shortage of companies ready to take advantage. Except of course that they will be told that “you didn’t build that”!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Needs and Wants by Needs &#38; Wants &#8211; Why You Should Vote NO on Tuesday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Needs &#38; Wants &#8211; Why You Should Vote NO on Tuesday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] July 2012 By Brett Bittner Leave a CommentThis piece was written by one of our members, Greg Morin, originally published on his blog, Porcupine Musings.Many thanks to Greg for his efforts, and I&#8217;d like to point out that I couldn&#8217;t have [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] July 2012 By Brett Bittner Leave a CommentThis piece was written by one of our members, Greg Morin, originally published on his blog, Porcupine Musings.Many thanks to Greg for his efforts, and I&#8217;d like to point out that I couldn&#8217;t have [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will you still pay me, when I’m sixty-four? by Samuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, you&#039;re completely misisng the obvious that throwing more money at teachers does NOT solve these problems, the problem is lack of competition   gov monoply IS an issue, you can pay $1 million to every teacher all you want, it&#039;s not going to solve anything until gov gets out of the education   let teachers   schools compete; then only the best schools   teachers that meet the demands of the parents/students will stay in business, others will go out of business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, you&#8217;re completely misisng the obvious that throwing more money at teachers does NOT solve these problems, the problem is lack of competition   gov monoply IS an issue, you can pay $1 million to every teacher all you want, it&#8217;s not going to solve anything until gov gets out of the education   let teachers   schools compete; then only the best schools   teachers that meet the demands of the parents/students will stay in business, others will go out of business.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Needs of the many? by Jelison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jelison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the longer term, there&#039;s also the qusteion of test availability. Several months ago, I heard a commentator (IIRC, Mark Steyn) make the claim that there are more MRI machines in one American city (IIRC, Philadelphia) than in all of Canada. MRI machines are expensive and so are the operators. I don&#039;t know if the claim is true but it does give me pause.Under government run health care, one way to lower costs is to cut back on the availability of expensive technology like CT machines, MRIs, and perhaps even better mammogram technology. As existing machines become unsupportable, they may not be replaced. That becomes a defacto means of rationing health care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the longer term, there&#8217;s also the qusteion of test availability. Several months ago, I heard a commentator (IIRC, Mark Steyn) make the claim that there are more MRI machines in one American city (IIRC, Philadelphia) than in all of Canada. MRI machines are expensive and so are the operators. I don&#8217;t know if the claim is true but it does give me pause.Under government run health care, one way to lower costs is to cut back on the availability of expensive technology like CT machines, MRIs, and perhaps even better mammogram technology. As existing machines become unsupportable, they may not be replaced. That becomes a defacto means of rationing health care.</p>
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